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Mathematics place of study and minor

Mathematics place of study and minor
Hello everybody,
After a long and undecided search, after I decided to study math, I finally decided on a university - namely the FU Berlin.
Since I had been busy with choosing a minor in the last few days, a few other universities came into my field of vision. As a minor, I would like physics or computer science, although I tend to be more physics. I particularly noticed the KIT, which offers the technical mathematics profile in the bachelor's degree, which requires around 40 points in the minor (experimental physics) (as opposed to 30 at the FU). In Würzburg there are 30-50 ECTS in physics or computer science with computational mathematics or even mathematical physics with around half physics and mathematics.
Do you have experience with these universities (or any other suggestions - but only admission-free, as I resolutely let the application deadline pass) and recommendations for the minor (in Würzburg I find astronomy above all interesting, although I probably don't think too much about it hear). It is clear that math should be the core component, but I am really undecided which of the two minor subjects is useful and interesting.
Thank you in advance for your effort
Re: Mathematics study location and minor
What do you want with a minor in physics?
Your career prospects are more in the direction of WiMa or computer science, you don't really need a mathematician with a focus on physics.
Timmy  📅 19.07.2015 22:10:59
It's true what the computer science student writes. I would roughly estimate that 80% of math students later work in computer science or economics. Technology would then probably be in 3rd position, but atok I can't think of anything useful with physics either.

What about studying applied mathematics? Takes place at the University of Applied Sciences and you first have the typical math lectures, but later applied subjects from the interfaces with computer science and economics are added. It actually sounds a bit more appealing than a pure university math course with a minor in physics.
ada55  📅 19.07.2015 23:53:10
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Maybe you start with math first and then see what interests you?
In most universities you have to choose a minor, of course it is better if there is a specific course of study, that makes it easier for you, but I would not choose the university according to it now.
I would rather look to see whether you like the city, whether you can get an apartment, how easy it is to study and whether the supervision is good.
I can at least recommend computer mathematics at the OvGU, as far as support is concerned, that's 44CP Computer Science. Physics as a normal minor 30.
Lobedaer  📅 24.07.2015 01:06:03
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From computer science student Aachen What do you want with a minor in physics?
Your career prospects are more in the direction of WiMa or computer science, you don't really need a mathematician with a focus on physics.
What nonsense, how do you know his professional ambitions? If, for example, he wants to do a doctorate in mathematical physics or in many other areas, including pure mathematics, an understanding of physics is often an advantage, as many mathematical terms were and will be motivated from physics.

The usual minor lectures are from computer science but are usually either trivial or just as irrelevant for most professions in the private sector as the corresponding physics lectures. Or do you think he can score somewhere with runtime analyzes for sorting algorithms and the Chomsky hierarchy?

@Threadersteller: Usually it doesn't matter at the beginning what exactly you start, because in all courses you first do the basic lectures and you can often have things recognized if you switch between different courses at an early stage. I would rather recommend a normal math degree at the beginning with a minor, which you enjoy the most (you can always change if necessary). These whole "hyphenated courses" originate more from the marketing departments of the university than from any meaningfulness, and often simply correspond to a math course with limited freedom of choice. So it doesn't really matter whether you study technomathe / business math / mathematical physics, you can have the same content with a pure math degree and corresponding specialization, but you can choose your (minor) modules freely.
Re: Mathematics study location and minor
Thank you for your answers.
Then it will stay with the normal mathematics course and simply sniff the minor subjects (doesn't have to be decided in the first semester). Is it also possible to attend lectures from other subjects and have them credited that go beyond the "normal" ones (for example, both minor subjects)?
Again to the place of study: Do you have experience with the Berlin universities, especially FU and TU (have read something and tend to FU)? The University of Magdeburg seems rather small, are there any disadvantages, e.g. that there are not so many options?
Lobedaer  📅 24.07.2015 17:59:51
Re: Mathematics study location and minor
So basically you can sit down in any lecture as you like, even now. Lectures are public, there are no admission controls. As a rule, you can also take an exam in every lecture and have it written on your final certificate or its annex as a voluntary additional module. This can be useful, for example, if you want to prove certain knowledge, want to apply for a master's degree in a different subject or want to do a doctorate in a foreign subject, etc. For example, some of us had a computer science master's degree after their math bachelor's degree or want to do a doctorate in computer science which is easily possible if you had the corresponding specialization / minor or if you have just taken a few lectures as additional modules.

Whether you also have other lectures as a minor credit depends on the study regulations of your degree program / university. Some handle this very stringently, but with many you often have a free choice according to a few defined basic modules.

Regarding the selection of the university: I do not know the specified universities personally, but I would not go according to advertising promises or any personal opinions of others, but rather consider the following two objective points:
- Course directory: To find out the selection of courses. You can estimate quite well what Uni A offers more than Uni B or whether that is relevant for you at all.
- Study regulations: It contains everything you have to / may do in your studies, specializations, possible minor subjects, etc. At the FU Berlin, the minor is called e.g. "supplementary area" and it says that you have to have physics approved by the examination board. In other words, it is not as standard as at other universities, you can do it, but you probably have more bureaucratic racing, lesson plans may be less coordinated, fewer of your fellow students do NF physics, etc. That is certainly not a decisive criterion, but one what you should consider.

Too big / too small university / city: At a big university you of course have a bigger choice in terms of a possible specialization. Although the beginning is relatively the same everywhere and you can easily switch to another university after completing your bachelor's degree, many of you may already hear the first in-depth (master's) lectures in math before your bachelor's degree, which may not be offered at a smaller university become. If you then change in the master’s degree, you may have to catch up on things, which is not a problem, but which may cause you to lose some time. In Berlin you have 3 possible universities, there is the Berlin Mathematical School (BMS) starting with the master’s degree, where you can listen to lectures from all 3 universities, etc., so the selection should not fail there. But also small universities have advantages: The atmosphere is more familiar, you come into contact with the professors / working groups more than at a "mass university", there are also good professors in their field at smaller universities, etc.

Ultimately, you should not underestimate the "soft" reasons, i.e. such as the rents / the size of the city / distance to family, friends / the way to the university / scope of the semester ticket / quality of the cafeteria etc. etc. There is no objectively right choice, but it is important that you personally feel comfortable, otherwise your performance will suffer as well. That means it is of no use to you personally if you study at the supposedly top university, but the money is only enough for a messed up room in a shared apartment on the main road with a 1 hour S-Bahn ride to the university in a noisy, stressful city, in that you never really wanted to go anyway. There are also some people who change universities for such reasons.
bully  📅 25.07.2015 23:54:38
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In math, the minor is the most important. So think about it BEFORE. Physics has gone out of fashion as a minor. So IT or business administration.
Re: Mathematics study location and minor
As the previous speaker rightly remarked: The most important thing in math is the minor. The main subject math, on the other hand, is completely irrelevant and does not interest anyone.

Therefore: Before you take care of your minor, first change your major. Math is the worst crap. This subject ruined my entire life. Just do something else!
Re: Mathematics study location and minor
Thank you for your effort and detailed explanations.
If points cannot be taken into account, does that mean that they are not included in the grade, but I already get proof of it when I have written / passed the exam (for example to qualify for another masters) or have I misunderstood something?
The FU was my first choice, among other things, because I don't want to commit myself to the specializations before studying and I probably have the broadest offer there with the BMS (which may not be used very much in the Bachelor's degree) and it is the smallest of the three universities (but still quite large).
The next week I'll probably have to take the time to rethink my choice of city - unfortunately I haven't been able to go to university yet because I live on the other end of the country and I probably have to go north to look for an apartment and I should have made up my mind

Thanks, I'm already worrying . Since you are very brief, however, I find it difficult to make sense of your statement: Should I choose computer science (I personally prefer business studies - even if computer science may not have such a rosy outlook) because it is "fashionable"? What is the disadvantage of the "unfashionable" subject of physics? It is clear to me that computer science has a very broad area of ​​application, but are the chances with physics so bad in more technical areas?